Jailbreak Tesla

[CoachTerry]

https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/03/researchers-jailbreak-a-tesla-to-get-free-in-car-feature-upgrades/

 

[COLAB]

No comment !!!!!!!!!!! ?

 

[Gurule92]

I saw this. And there was something similar back when I had my dual motor model 3. It was like you could pay half the amount you would pay to Tesla to get the acceleration boost.

BUT, risk comes with these kinds of things. Risk of getting banned, risk of an OTA fixing your workaround and now you're out money. Risk of bricking your car.

Too much risk IMO.

 

[TyPope]

There will always be people who try to steal when they think they can get away with it. Whether it's shoplifting, using someone elses' login credentials to "get Netflix free", or stealing cable, it's still stealing. Not paying for FSD and then finding a way to steal it is still wrong. Justify it all you want, but it's still stealing. "But, it's my car and I can do what I want with it." Yeah, stealing a capability is still stealing.

Yeah, I'm fun at parties...

 

[John K]

Jailbreak FSD, wonder why I keep being driven to a police station.

 

[ninja6r]

There will always be people who try to steal when they think they can get away with it. Whether it's shoplifting, using someone elses' login credentials to "get Netflix free", or stealing cable, it's still stealing. Not paying for FSD and then finding a way to steal it is still wrong. Justify it all you want, but it's still stealing. "But, it's my car and I can do what I want with it." Yeah, stealing a capability is still stealing.

Yeah, I'm fun at parties...

Is it stealing though? I mean, I bought the car. It came with the hardware and it has the capability to be turned on. I own it, Tesla doesn't. Not my problem if they installed the feature, but locked me out. I don't see how that's stealing at all.

 

[flowerlandfilms]

There will always be people who try to steal when they think they can get away with it. Whether it's shoplifting, using someone elses' login credentials to "get Netflix free", or stealing cable, it's still stealing. Not paying for FSD and then finding a way to steal it is still wrong. Justify it all you want, but it's still stealing. "But, it's my car and I can do what I want with it." Yeah, stealing a capability is still stealing.

Yeah, I'm fun at parties...

Two of the examples you cited don't involve taking anything from anybody.
Which is the definition of theft.
It's duplication in which nobody is deprived.
If you could right click and copy a Ferrari that's not theft either.
It's just awesome.

 

[TyPope]

Is it stealing though? I mean, I bought the car. It came with the hardware and it has the capability to be turned on. I own it, Tesla doesn't. Not my problem if they installed the feature, but locked me out. I don't see how that's stealing at all.

Sure. I mean, the electric company is sending WAY more electricity to my meter box than I pull out of it. I'm thinking I'll just bypass the meter. I mean, I bought the house, right?

I get what you are saying though. I do. But, I see it the same as if I wrote an album for my group and sold you one song off the album. You then find a way to get the rest of it free. Even though it doesn't cost me any more money for you to listen to one song vs. all of them, it's a loss of potential revenue to me. How much would Tesla lose if every single owner cheated their way into FSD? The company would probably have to charge more for all their vehicles.

You, the customer, bought the car in good faith as it was sold. You are then breaking that good faith to 'take' options for free. Doing so and then justifying it to yourself doesn't make it any less of a theft of service.

 

[CyberGus]

Is it stealing though? I mean, I bought the car. It came with the hardware and it has the capability to be turned on. I own it, Tesla doesn't. Not my problem if they installed the feature, but locked me out. I don't see how that's stealing at all.

Yes, it is stealing, because laws. See the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which outlaws bypassing such controls.

 

[CyberGus]

"In the United States it is illegal under the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) to break any form of Digital Rights Management (DRM) to enable software features you didn't pay for."

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/39012/hacking-devices-to-unlock-features-legal-or-not

 

[showmemo]

Is it stealing though? I mean, I bought the car. It came with the hardware and it has the capability to be turned on. I own it, Tesla doesn't. Not my problem if they installed the feature, but locked me out. I don't see how that's stealing at all.

Yes, it is stealing.

 

[ninja6r]

I guess I'm wrong, lol. DRM'ing heated seats is apparently protected by law and people seem to think that's ok, because DMCA. Philosophically and socially, I won't comment on my view of the matter any further. DRM prevents people from truly owning their own devices.

 

[fhteagle]

Yes, but I also have a right to repair and modify what I own. Can I legally hack the Tesla vehicle firmware on seat heaters? Probably not. Can I load my own reverse engineered firmware? Absolutely, if I cared enough to do so. Can I DIY my own smart switch to turn on the installed seat heaters, yep. And if I was on a jury for a case where someone did either of those there's not a thing in the world that could get me to return a guilty verdict or damages.

 

[CyberGus]

Yes, but I also have a right to repair and modify what I own. Can I legally hack the Tesla vehicle firmware on seat heaters? Probably not. Can I load my own reverse engineered firmware? Absolutely, if I cared enough to do so. Can I DIY my own smart switch to turn on the installed seat heaters, yep. And if I was on a jury for a case where someone did either of those there's not a thing in the world that could get me to return a guilty verdict or damages.

Can I instantly void my warranty? Yep!

 

[ninja6r]

Yes, but I also have a right to repair and modify what I own. Can I legally hack the Tesla vehicle firmware on seat heaters? Probably not. Can I load my own reverse engineered firmware? Absolutely, if I cared enough to do so. Can I DIY my own smart switch to turn on the installed seat heaters, yep. And if I was on a jury for a case where someone did either of those there's not a thing in the world that could get me to return a guilty verdict or damages.

Yep, this is where the debate is. Should you have the right to pay for services (3rd party) to unlock something you own?

Can I instantly void my warranty? Yep!

Should it be unlawful to do? Nope!