GM’s Mary Barra Says GM can Catch Tesla by 2025. Problem is…

[firsttruck]

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I give you that. That was a big fail on GM part.

Are you suggesting GM does overnight what Panasonic and Samsung have perfected over decades?
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Yes, GM is not an innocent bystander.

GM might not have invented any battery tech BUT GM absolutely DID BUY key NiMH battery patents and then made sure nobody could use them to make BEVs.
Later GM sold the patents to major fossil fuel company that buried them further.

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Standing on sidelines and demanding these gigantic endeavors just because a once in a century man (Elon) has attempt it is mighty easy for anyone with access to a keyboard. When was the last time you created a company that size? I think what they are doing now is exactly the right thing to do. Get the batteries from someone that knows what they are doing, get the cars right and then try to improve their security and cost by securing battery supply with partners or if they can afford alone.

Hindsight is 20/20. Now that everyone is suffering from supply shortage, all of a sudden people think every manufacturer should make their own screws and bolts. That is nice thing to do in an ideal world. But here is what I think will happen if everyone does that. After spending millions may be billions over a decade 40 car companies make their own batteries and motors then a non car company comes up with a new tech that allows 4 times the power density for batteries and another company with twice the performance for the motor for half the cost. They all have to dump their own motors and batteries and buy these (where they started).
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Are you suggesting GM does overnight what Panasonic and Samsung have perfected over decades?
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I think Elon is a very smart person but there a couple billion people on this planet so there are a lot of smart people. There are a lot of smart engineers.

The big difference between Elon/Tesla and GM/Ford/Toyota is competence of management and motivations.

I believe if original founders like Henry Ford or Toyoda were in charge today, these companies would be doing what Tesla did.

When Henry Ford ran into problems with suppliers not delivering according to his needs he brought the function in-house. He bought huge iron ore carrying ships, mines, forests, rubber plantations, and many more things.

Remember Elon did not hide how he was going to do things
In 2006 Elon openly published to the world his plans.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me

GM/Ford/Toyota had plenty of time.

Now I do not believe any talk by GM/Ford/Toyota. Only pay attention to results from GM/Ford/Toyota. When GM/Ford/Toyota actually completes delivers competitive product instead of half-baked compliance level vehicles.

 

[firsttruck]

More Lies from GM
GM Claim to Lead EVs and Beat Tesla by 2025
Oct 28, 2021
Tesla Economist

 

[Ogre]

I think that’s a bit harsh. Mary B is trying to talk up the brand. She didn’t really say they would beat Tesla by 2025 or that Tesla sucks, just that it’s possible… shes right, it is possible. Just unlikely.

I hope GM makes Tesla fight to keep the top spot.

 

[firsttruck]

I think that’s a bit harsh. Mary B is trying to talk up the brand. She didn’t really say they would beat Tesla by 2025
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No, it is not harsh it is exactly what she said

Phil, "can you catch Tesla by 2025"
Mary Barra, "absolutely Phil when we look at the portfolio ..."

Listen to the original interview at time point 04:15


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GM can 'absolutely' catch Tesla by 2025: CEO Mary Barra
Oct 27, 2021
CNBC Television

 

[Ogre]

No, it is not harsh it is exactly what she said

I don’t see her comments as being that different from Musks predictions about FSD and Robo Taxi.

You can’t give Musk a free pass while holding Barra over the flame for making optimistic but unrealistic predictions.

As I said, I don’t see GM hitting this goal, but Tesla didn’t get Level 5 vehicle automation by the end of 2020 either, yet I’m still here.

 

[firsttruck]

I don’t see her comments as being that different from Musks predictions about FSD and Robo Taxi.

You can’t give Musk a free pass while holding Barra over the flame for making optimistic but unrealistic predictions.

As I said, I don’t see GM hitting this goal, but Tesla didn’t get Level 5 vehicle automation by the end of 2020 either, yet I’m still here.

Yes, it is absolutely right to give Elon more credit. He has made many bold things that other experts said was impossible and Elon & his teams succeeded.

Mary Barra has done nothing special. Is a run of the mill MBA.

5 years ago GM claimed they would have 5 EVs by NOW. Today they are selling fewer models than 5 years ago (Today it is ZERO).

 

[Cyberman]

I don’t get why everyone gets so much Joy out of an American Icon that employs so many people dying off. I have no doubt both Tesla and GM can sell any EV they can produce. Even if she is B.S.ing about their ability, they are obviously dumping a ton of money into going electric. I don’t get why we wouldn’t want that to happen.

We don't want bad things for GM. It's just... we want better things for Tesla. Tesla has the balls to innovate, disrupt and improve on the fly, and is single handedly driving the transition to BEV's. Are we biased? You betcha.

 

[Ogre]

We don't want bad things for GM. It's just... we want better things for Tesla. Tesla has the balls to innovate, disrupt and improve on the fly, and is single handedly driving the transition to BEV's.

GM and Tesla will survive or fail on their own merits.

I kind of think GM squandered their opportunity to participate in the next generation of the industry, but they still have a few years before the window closes completely.

 

[Carlos Thomas]

I don’t feel sorry for companies that fail to innovate. When Blockbuster first heard about Netflix allowing you to keep your movie as long as you want, Blockbuster executive in charge said, “We would never do something dumb like that.” Late fees made up 12.5% of their total revenue. Now there is only 1 Blockbuster in the world (Oregon).

I foresee a major consolidation of the traditional auto manufacturing companies by 2030. It is a mathematical certainty.

Tesla is more than a auto company. Elon Musk is the Howard Hughes of our time.

 

[rr6013]

I think that’s a bit harsh. Mary B is trying to talk up the brand. She didn’t really say they would beat Tesla by 2025 or that Tesla sucks, just that it’s possible… shes right, it is possible. Just unlikely.

I hope GM makes Tesla fight to keep the top spot.

Tesla is a unicorn. No one can duplicate, match or compete.

Tesla, as Apple defines the computer in your pocket, is defining EV technology and the future of transportation. Its taking car ownership in a shared direction, driving; out of human hands and elevating industry to a principles first accountability.

Along the way, Tesla made the highest embodiment of EV technology, the best software for automotive and developed the machine to make the machine pathway to scale. Together with some IP patents Tesla has many options going forward once Elon recognizes he’s a unicorn and Tesla - a one off.

Right now people are buying Teslas not EV’s. That’s harsh reality. Talk is all Mary left GM other than 1000hp naturally aspirated engines GM Performance has had on its shelf.

Elon wants a VW, GM OR TOYOTA to succeed. That’s no secret. It’s not going to happen. Foxconn sees an Apple style market emerging out of the ruins of ICE automakers. That might be automakers best path to build EV’s — have Foxconn build for them.

There are Teslas, then there is everyone else.

 

[ZARDOZ]

Regardless of what happens Americans will be buying cars from someone. If GM fails another auto maker will supply those vehicles and employ enough people to make them. Let’s hope that happens in the US. That’s one reason I’m rooting for Tesla. GM meh. We bailed them out once if they can’t compete fuck ‘em.

 

[rr6013]

Standing on sidelines and demanding these gigantic endeavors just because a once in a century man (Elon) has attempt it is mighty easy for anyone with access to a keyboard. When was the last time you created a company that size?[Unquote]

LOL at 68yo, keyboard skills are one of my last, best enduring endeavors. ElonMusk owns the 21st Century to date. SteveJobs the 20th. Eight years in SteveJobs orbit, befriended as close as SteveJobs ever let any third party developer; takeaways are many.

I was in the room for many historic moments, face-to-face at pivotal junctures and sounding board through the slog toward a NeXT computing future. There’s more than a decade invested in bleeding edge tech, mercurial genius and accidental monopoly behind that keyboard. Even SteveJobs admitted failure was simply a market response that there wasn’t room for third competitor in tech. It was happy with two it had.

History of computing technology is shaping up to repeat with EV, ElonMusk and future transportation. ICE era is not repeating. The Big Three is not repeating. We have on our hands the world’s first unicorn. There will be a major competitor to emerge. Then everyone else…

Nichola Tesla was the last big inventor whose AC idea transformed the world. ElonMusk has captured the world’s EV market. Tesla, the company, has captured the world’s next future in EV. Its that harsh a reality.

We’ve just witnessed GM resort to aphorism. RIM’s Blackberry teaches that the end is over before you know it. Where we go from here? It’s Asia’s for the taking.

 

[jerhenderson]

Where did you get that?

-Crissa

... and who cares if it was true?

 

[happy intruder]

More Lies from GM
GM Claim to Lead EVs and Beat Tesla by 2025
Oct 28, 2021
Tesla Economist

good f***king luck.......all the big 3 lie.......just look at how they sell cars......takes hours and hours and the sales people just keep the harassment up until you are so tired to sign up for anything just to get out of there.....I hate it.....

oh yes, "well let me go ask my manager to see if we can go this low"........if you cant make the deal right then and there, you are incompetent or stupid......I hate buyng cars.......even though Tesla has its issues, my first buying experience was great.......everything set when we got there, and when we drove out, all the staff was cheering us on.....we felt important......although the pandemic changes things, I still like the Tesla version of delivery over the others

 

[fritter63]

Can somebody fix the thread title typo?