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Urban Innovation Expert Urges Joe Biden To Limit Tesla’s FSD Testing

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Urban Innovation Expert Urges Joe Biden To Limit Tesla’s FSD Testing
By: Gustavo Henrique Ruffo
December 7, 2020

Writing to Slate, David Zipper said Tesla’s approach to autonomous cars is “far too risky.”
Follow any Tesla group or even Twitter, and you’ll probably see people begging Elon Musk to have FSD Beta. They consider it a privilege to test Tesla’s autonomous technology – which the company itself legally qualifies as Level 2 when it warns it needs “active driver supervision.” An urban innovation specialist considered that “far too risky,” and asked Jon Biden to end this approach as soon as possible in an article published by Slate.




David Zipper studies the way new mobility technologies interfere with urban policies and city development. In his opinion, the biggest risk involving granting regular people access to something that is not ready for sale goes beyond killing people if it proves to be ineffective, as Uber learned the hard way. The major issue is having other automakers take the same path.

Zipper is not alone. PAVE (Partners for Automated Vehicle Education) – a nonprofit organization dedicated to autonomous vehicles – said that “public road testing is a serious responsibility and using untrained consumers to validate beta-level software on public roads is dangerous and inconsistent with existing guidance and industry norms.”

Above all, Zipper calls attention in his article to how NHTSA is dealing with the situation. He stated that the agency has “shrugged off an urgent safety problem” by saying it would “monitor the new technology closely.” That would have been taken as a green light by Tesla, which would plan to expand the number of testers until the end of 2020.

NHTSA is also a concern for Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies. When we discussed how prepared the agency is to deal with safety situations for another article, he told InsideEVs that NHTSA needs investments and new tools to cope with the increasing complexity of cars.

“The lack of federal standards – or updated standards – results in an agency that is institutionally unprepared and ultimately sets the stage for defect crises that can’t be adequately addressed through NHTSA’s enforcement division.”
Zipper hits even harder: he writes that “Tesla has capitalized on NHTSA’s inaction.” The suspension issue NHTSA is investigating again is a good example of that. The agency already investigated Tesla’s suspensions in 2016 and concluded that “no further action was necessary. The Chinese government has a different understanding: it demanded the company to recall suspension parts in thousands of Model S and Model X units sold there.

The mobility innovation expert filled his article with examples of what Tesla should do differently in what relates to autonomous driving. His points deserve consideration, especially when he fears that other automakers follow the same strategy Tesla adopts. If Joe Biden does nothing about it, Zipper believes more companies will put their customers to beta test their vehicles instead of hiring engineers to do the job. It could be even worse, with people begging to do that.

Source: Slate
https://insideevs.com/news/458847/expert-urges-biden-limit-teslas-fsd-testing/
 
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Couple pointless dudes trying to justify why people should pay attention to them. If there is actual evidence that Tesla's approach is dangerous, the Gov't should act. Otherwise, carry on. These guys present nothing of the sort, and I'd like to know who decided they were experts worth quoting.
 

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I really must agree. Joe Biden should have very limited access to FSD.
I would think Joe needs FSD, he is a prime candidate....but seriously we need real world testing with professionals first before it goes public. The driving age seems to be coming to a end I thought it would not happen in my life time but technology is evolving so rapidly that I may even have in my future vehicle.
 

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I live in east Mesa AZ. I am just a couple of miles north of the old GM proving ground. Years ago when GM would load some vehicles with data acquisition equipment (and their manufacturer plates) you could often see them driving around. Perhaps the driver was an engineer or tech or just a professional driver but the driver had two hands on the wheel and drove around.
Beta testing the FSD is a similar setup. The data of real world experiences isn't being done by the driver but by the sensors in the vehicle. Perhaps the driver could report weird behavior but ultimately the data is reviewed by Tesla.
We also have a lot of other self driving vehicles in town, especially waymo in Chandler. For years you could see them driving around, usually with a driver and an engineer.
David Zipper is making a good point but I think he is behind on Tesla's approach. The "engineer" is in each Tesla. It is the software.
 

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I live in east Mesa AZ. I am just a couple of miles north of the old GM proving ground. Years ago when GM would load some vehicles with data acquisition equipment (and their manufacturer plates) you could often see them driving around. Perhaps the driver was an engineer or tech or just a professional driver but the driver had two hands on the wheel and drove around.
Beta testing the FSD is a similar setup. The data of real world experiences isn't being done by the driver but by the sensors in the vehicle. Perhaps the driver could report weird behavior but ultimately the data is reviewed by Tesla.
We also have a lot of other self driving vehicles in town, especially waymo in Chandler. For years you could see them driving around, usually with a driver and an engineer.
David Zipper is making a good point but I think he is behind on Tesla's approach. The "engineer" is in each Tesla. It is the software.
Who is to say that the engineer is any better driver than the ones chosen by Tesla? Tesla has the data it collected from these drivers driving habits BEFORE they were chosen.
 

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Humans are ridiculous, but humans who have a lot of time in their hands are the most ridiculous.

Humans expect machines to be 100% perfect when we are not. FSD, as it is, can actually already save lives but we continue to put it on hold allowing people that can be saved by having FSD, to keep on dying in preventable accidents..
 
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