Some Interesting Charging Options added to Tesla App and Wall Connector

[SwampNut]

You’ve seriously never heard of a car fire at a gas station??? And there was one on the Just Rolled In channel recently where the 12v spontaneously ignited.

 

[Ogre]

Not while charging, or sitting in the garage after a drive.

This isn’t really true either.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/ford-recalls-39000-us-suvs-after-engine-fire-reports/

ICE vehicle fires have become normalized and are largely ignored

 

[SwampNut]

They are common, so media ignores them, and they are also almost always less spectacular than Lithium fires. But here's a great one I caught on the Teslacam that was clearly a monster.



Even then, it was out in minutes. Lithium fires can go a day or more.

 

[israndy]

This isn’t really true either.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/ford-recalls-39000-us-suvs-after-engine-fire-reports/

ICE vehicle fires have become normalized and are largely ignored

I agree that they are normalized. I am just saying, they don't happen out of the blue the way EVs like the Chevy Bolt or the Jaguar or early Model S's do. How many fires has Ford had to deal with? Jaguar is still refusing to acknowledge their issue even though when this percentage of the cars built had burned down houses Chevy recalled the Bolt. Jaguar uses the same pack. They need to step up.

 

[Crissa]

I agree that they are normalized. I am just saying, they don't happen out of the blue the way EVs like the Chevy Bolt or the Jaguar or early Model S's do. How many fires has Ford had to deal with? Jaguar is still refusing to acknowledge their issue even though when this percentage of the cars built had burned down houses Chevy recalled the Bolt. Jaguar uses the same pack. They need to step up.

And you're wrong, were shown to be wrong, and...

...Fewer Bolts caught fire than any ICE recall.

-Crissa

 

[israndy]

You say, you have made the claim, you wanna back it up maybe with a fact? Happy to be *proven* wrong

 

[Crissa]

You say, you have made the claim, you wanna back it up maybe with a fact? Happy to be *proven* wrong

I cited two things and an anecdote,

What is wrong with you?

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

You say, you have made the claim, you wanna back it up maybe with a fact? Happy to be *proven* wrong

Goes both ways.

 

[Luke42]

I did say charging, not pouring flammable liquid in, and I didn't see any stories of the car catching on fire by itself at a gas station.

Fire prevention while fueling with gasoline is a big fucking deal.

All vehicles need to be grounded while fueling, to prevent sparks from igniting the fuel vapor.

Fuel traveling through a rubber hose generates static electricity.

The fact that most automobile drivers can refuel without fucking this up is a tribute to the subtleties of engineering the world around us to literally keep people from blowing themselves up. In automotive gas stations, the necessary grounding to prevent explosions and fires is hidden the fuel nozzle/hose, the vehicle, and the gas station itself.

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As soon as you get away from automobiles, you suddenly have to be very aware of all of this.

Those signs which say to refill your gas cans on the ground? That's because leaving them in the bed of your pickup truck while refilling them is a fire/explosion risk, especially if you have a plastic bed liner. (The ground at gas stations is grounded.)

If you've ever refueled an airplane or a tractor, you've been told to attach a ground wire from the fuel pump to the vehicle, again to prevent sparks created by moving the fuel:



Remember that fuel + air + spark is what makes gasoline engines run. These are all present outside of the engine when refueling.

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The fact that people can grow to adulthood in a petroleum-dependent society without being aware of this is a tribute to some fucking brilliant engineering in the automotive/petroleum interface.

Please refill your gas cans on the ground, and use the ground wire at airports, farms, and marinas. My brother is a volunteer firefighter and he does not need your business.

 

[Luke42]

I agree that they are normalized. I am just saying, they don't happen out of the blue the way EVs like the Chevy Bolt or the Jaguar or early Model S's do. How many fires has Ford had to deal with? Jaguar is still refusing to acknowledge their issue even though when this percentage of the cars built had burned down houses Chevy recalled the Bolt. Jaguar uses the same pack. They need to step up.

My 1998 Ford Ranger was recalled for spontaneous ignition fires.

They added a fuse to the wiring harness under the hood.l to prevent fires.

Turns out that carting around 20 gallons of a flammable volatile liquid is as dangerous as it sounds. We-as-a-society have gotten pretty good reducing the chances of a mishap, and have normalized the remaining risk - but small fuckups can still make big fires.

 

[israndy]

I cited two things and an anecdote,

What is wrong with you?

Lots wrong with me, but lots wrong with everyone. You for instance posted ICE cars catch fire more than EVs, in response to a post about charging cars near a building.

That's fine, but irrelevant. So I pointed out that more EVs catch fire when charging or just sitting for a long period after driving, so the original poster was correct.

So you felt that was an attack so you posted links to a thread about cars catching fire at gas stations and another simply a search of Cars in Garage catching fire that didn't actually find any spontaneous ignitions, so two links that don't bolster your point, yet you claim to have supported your argument.

I simply pointed out that anecdotal info does not win an argument, you can't claim something, like the existence of god, and then demand the other guy prove god doesn't exist. That's factious, it doesn't promote understanding or agreement.

Not sure why you are arguing so vociferously that EVs don't spontaneously catch fire. 'They don't do it often and what about ICE cars, they catch fire much more often', that's whataboutism, not an argument against the point. Used often in politics.

It's hard to prove a negative (wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_a_negative), but of the 20 most dangerous fire hazards none are catching fire while charging or sitting after a drive:

https://www.theclever.com/20-dangerous-cars-with-the-highest-risk-of-spontaneous-combustion/

So the original poster's comment about not installing a public charger near a building still seems unassailed and good advice.

 

[Crissa]

...And yet the one car that very nearly burned my house down was sitting in someone's driveway. In the middle of the night.

I am very aware that it's something that happens - and that it's also not very common.

But it still happens.

-Crissa

 

[kev12345]

Are Tesla wall connectors able to accurately meter usage on their own or does this require a seperate meter?

 

[Crissa]

Are Tesla wall connectors able to accurately meter usage on their own or does this require a seperate meter?

The version 4 does have a meter in it but I don't know if user has access yet.

-Crissa

 

[SwampNut]

Are Tesla wall connectors able to accurately meter usage on their own or does this require a seperate meter?

You know that the CAR is able to meter it, right? So I can't think of any use for the connector to also do it in a residential situation. There's a new commercial option for metering and charging.