? Rivian Adopts Tesla NACS Standard!

[CostcoSamples]

Funny how people flock to the same conclusion after the first. Moving to NACS is the right move, but waiting until everybody else has made the move looks weak.

 

[Rockvillerich]

I’m glad they came to the proper conclusion. I have no intention of buying a CCS vehicle.
It will be interesting to see how the holdouts fare.

What holdouts? Do you think Lucid will be invited to join?

 

[Bob Anderson]

Question. How crowded will stations become?

There are ~21,000 chargers in NA according to supercharger(dot)info. The busy chargers will still be reserved for Tesla and the other 12,000 can be opened up. I think things will be fine.

 

[Almost Mars]

All the other OEM’s. VW, Toyota…

A part of me wants CCS holdouts just so I can watch it unfold. If everyone switches quickly, there’s nothing to read/talk about.

I’m a Tesla driver, so I really don’t care until there are 3 Bolts taking up all the 250 chargers. That could put a damper on it.

 

[BayouCityBob]

If you're Rivian, and the #'s 1, 2, and 3 producers of pickup trucks announce...

... can't have that

FWIW, only 30% of RIvian orders are pickup trucks. That is not (was never going to be) its primary product.

Not that it is relevant to this announcement, however... Rivian absolutely needed to do this to stay competitive. And it needed to move its Rivian Adventure Network to NACS to keep it relevant.

 

[PilotPete]

I know it's the amps that kill but I have to wonder about Hyundai's ability to protect the driver while charging and operating at such a high voltage. .

Porsche uses the 800V system design as well. Same reason the CT is going to use 48V for the “low voltage” stuff. The same reason I have power tools in the garage that use 220V just like you’re at home EV charger and not 110V. The higher the voltage, the easier you can move more power through the wire. Look, if you’re worried about “high voltage” then the 400V systems ought to worry you too. I have no idea where you think the driver could be at risk while charging. There isn’t an EV (or ICE car) on the road that can’t kill you with the battery. Be it 800, 400, 48, or even 12 volt batteries.

As for really high voltage, I got sloppy in physics and got zapped while doing a demonstration with one of the gasses in a tube, That was 4800V. Fortunately for me, the amperage was so low, it just made it hard to taste things at lunch.

At least it won't have hydrogen in it's vehicles. Isn't that what the Hidenburg was filled with?

While Hydrogen is flammable, it is not nearly as dangerous as something like GASOLINE. And the biggest issue with the Hindenburg wasn’t the hydrogen (although it didn’t help) it was the coating they used on the outside. Not only was it conductive (causing the initial spark that started everything) but it was dangerously flammable, burning faster than the hydrogen alone would have supported.

And yes, firemen everywhere are having to learn new techniques for cutting into cars to extricate people. Just as they had to learn how to not set an ICE car on fire when they started. Additionally, There is no way for the electricity to spill all over the ground and make a larger area dangerous, as with a gas vehicle. Everything in life is a trade-off.

 

[CostcoSamples]

Where I live, it is rare to actually see a Tesla plugged in at the Super Charger station. Its almost always empty.

 

[Rutrow]

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What holdouts? Do you think Lucid will be invited to join?

Everyone has already been "invited". Tesla open sourced the schematics for anyone and everyone to use without so much as licensing fees. The last company to adopt NACS will be the stupidest company in the industry.

 

[Warbird]

Suddenly a Rivian is a much more interesting prospect.

If they licensed FSD, "interesting" would become sweet.

 

[Deleted member 12457]

Porsche uses the 800V system design as well. Same reason the CT is going to use 48V for the “low voltage” stuff. The same reason I have power tools in the garage that use 220V just like you’re at home EV charger and not 110V. The higher the voltage, the easier you can move more power through the wire. Look, if you’re worried about “high voltage” then the 400V systems ought to worry you too. I have no idea where you think the driver could be at risk while charging. There isn’t an EV (or ICE car) on the road that can’t kill you with the battery. Be it 800, 400, 48, or even 12 volt batteries.

As for really high voltage, I got sloppy in physics and got zapped while doing a demonstration with one of the gasses in a tube, That was 4800V. Fortunately for me, the amperage was so low, it just made it hard to taste things at lunch.


While Hydrogen is flammable, it is not nearly as dangerous as something like GASOLINE. And the biggest issue with the Hindenburg wasn’t the hydrogen (although it didn’t help) it was the coating they used on the outside. Not only was it conductive (causing the initial spark that started everything) but it was dangerously flammable, burning faster than the hydrogen alone would have supported.

And yes, firemen everywhere are having to learn new techniques for cutting into cars to extricate people. Just as they had to learn how to not set an ICE car on fire when they started. Additionally, There is no way for the electricity to spill all over the ground and make a larger area dangerous, as with a gas vehicle. Everything in life is a trade-off.

Check out BestInTESLA's last youtube video. It shows a Hyundai semi truck with multiple pressurized tanks behind the driver. It then shows cars with "pressurized tanks" exploding. Gasoline is dangerous but movies showing cars exploding is not how it works. Gasoline, when ignited, is very dangerous but pressurized tanks with hydrogen in them really scares me.

 

[Greshnab]

Check out BestInTESLA's last youtube video. It shows a Hyundai semi truck with multiple pressurized tanks behind the driver. It then shows cars with "pressurized tanks" exploding. Gasoline is dangerous but movies showing cars exploding is not how it works. Gasoline, when ignited, is very dangerous but pressurized tanks with hydrogen in them really scares me.

It does make you wonder if they ever studied the Hindenburg!!

 

[Rutrow]

I have to wonder why they're going with such a high voltage. I know it's the amps that kill but I have to wonder about Hyundai's ability to protect the driver while charging and operating at such a high voltage.

When talking about DC power you have to forget most about what you know about AC power. Electricity has to flow through a circuit to be dangerous. You can touch, or even lick, one conductor of any electrical circuit without danger so long as your body, or your tongue, doesn't complete a path to complete the circuit. What makes AC such a pernicious and familiar hazard is that the ground we stand on is part of the AC circuit. Touching the hot leg of AC with your hand while standing on a foot that is poorly insulated to "ground" puts your heart in the newly connected circuit. It doesn't take a whole lot of current to scramble the electrical rhythm your heart uses to pump blood to your brain.

This isn't true with DC. DC circuits aren't "grounded" the same way. Yes, there are DC appliances that "ground" the negative terminal to their chassis as a simple way to avoid needing to run a second wire to all the switches, motors, lights, sensors, etc. to make a circuit. Except for the low voltage components (12v) on a car, electric vehicles don't use the chassis as the negative terminal. Both conductors for the high voltage system are insulated (with high vis warning colors) all the way from the battery to the invertor and motor. You don't have to worry about the DC voltage zapping you even when touching the charge cord, even if you're standing in a pool of water.

To be electrocuted by the DC circuit of an EV, you'd have to get your heart into the shortest path between the positive and negative leads of the battery or charger. Even if a negative cable had been chaffed thru its insulator to touch the metal of the car, you won't be shocked. Same with the positive cable (there's no real difference). Even if the car was in an accident that caused BOTH cables to touch the metal chassis, you STILL wouldn't get shocked. The electrons prefer the shortest distance to complete a circuit, so instead of jumping out to shock you, they're going to arc between the shorted path. There will be a bright arc and the car may catch fire, but you won't be killed by electricity.

I want to set your mind at ease, but not give you a false sense of security around high voltage batteries. Taking the drivetrain apart in an EV can expose you to electrocution. If you touch one cable/terminal with one hand and the opposing cable/terminal with your other hand (or foot, or hip, etc.) you can put your heart into a dangerous path. It just won't likely happen unless your reckless or in the exact wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Assimilation is inevitable. Resistance, is futile.

 

[chalupa808]

Question. How crowded will stations become?

Yes.

 

[SSonnentag]

Didn't we hear it suggested that the Cybertruck will utilize 1,000 V battery packs? If true, I don't see how 800 V would be an issue.