ICE proposed EOL 2035

[rr6013]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03...rs-ask-biden-to-ban-sale-of-gas-powered-cars/

This would be faster if all states banned sales of new ICE engines. Petroleum based fuel would phase out +20 so 2055 no more gasoline. Synthetic fuels will rise to fill the demand thereafter.

 

[cybrtrk_maybe]

I have a friend that modified a diesel to use grease that he collected from fast food places and ran through filters about a half dozen times. His fuel is cheap, but it's a lot of work and smells like French Fries everywhere he goes.

 

[rr6013]

He’s good until french fries get canceled. Hope he’s burnin’ In’N Out fries. We need to support them!

 

[datechboss101]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03...rs-ask-biden-to-ban-sale-of-gas-powered-cars/

This would be faster if all states banned sales of new ICE engines. Petroleum based fuel would phase out +20 so 2055 no more gasoline. Synthetic fuels will rise to fill the demand thereafter.

I honestly don't see ICE vehicles leaving us anytime in the near future. But California, is a different state, unlike the rest of the country; they are in the same line as the EU. I used to live there while it was more reasonable to live there (early 2000s). That state alone is trying to make you to not work on your vehicles if you are a DIY type of person. Just too much power has gone to the state government, the way we all see it.

Banning ICE engines sales honestly makes no sense. Engineering and manufacturing of ICE vehicles is still improving, and EVs are still in their infancy. So is Fuel Celled vehicles, biofuels, etc. All are still in their early phases. Before we can even move to full EV, we need to make sure our Power grid can support EVs, which will increase the amount of power required by a significant amount.

There are just so much variables that its really unjustifiable to ban sale of NEW ICE vehicles.

 

[nitrohuck]

I honestly don't see ICE vehicles leaving us anytime in the near future. But California, is a different state, unlike the rest of the country; they are in the same line as the EU. I used to live there while it was more reasonable to live there (early 2000s). That state alone is trying to make you to not work on your vehicles if you are a DIY type of person. Just too much power has gone to the state government, the way we all see it.

Banning ICE engines sales honestly makes no sense. Engineering and manufacturing of ICE vehicles is still improving, and EVs are still in their infancy. So is Fuel Celled vehicles, biofuels, etc. All are still in their early phases. Before we can even move to full EV, we need to make sure our Power grid can support EVs, which will increase the amount of power required by a significant amount.

There are just so much variables that its really unjustifiable to ban sale of NEW ICE vehicles.

I could certainly imagine that in the foreseeable future people may need special (paid for) exemptions in order to have ICE vehicles. I can hear California's gov't rubbing their greedy hands together already.

There will pretty much always be a need for fossil fuel, but it may just be relegated to special use vehicles, etc. Obviously this is still a long way off

 

[Sirfun]

This banning talk is ridiculous. When you make crap illegal you just create a bunch of illegal activities. There was a time our government banned all sales of alcohol. That didn't go well at all. There's always going to be 2 sides to every issue.
I get it stop new production like they did years ago with 2 stroke motorcycles and they will slowly fade away. There are still 2 strokes around and they're still loved by many. But the numbers are dwindling.
This was the reason I voted to legalize Weed. I have no intention of smoking any, but when it's illegal you have massive amounts of illegal activities and people even getting killed because of it.
Phase out production of new Ice vehicles in 15 years or so, but there's nothing wrong with having an emotional attachment to old technology. Let things run their course!

 

[Bigvbear]

Oil and gas are not going anywhere. yes we will reduce the number of ICE vehicles on the road, but you will still have airplanes that will need fuel, military vehicles, etc. Plus we will still need oil products (like plastic, grease, etc) to make electric vehicles.

 

[datechboss101]

There's something I still need clarification on, that these democrat aligned politicians needs to answer: How do you turn an EV to a racecar and add additional power to it without waiting for the manufacturer sending an OTA update to increase it? I.e.: Turbo chargers, Superchargers, exhaust systems, etc., that are common power modifications on ICE vehicles. And would we move to full ethanol based fuel if gasoline is completely banned as a fuel source?

When it comes to automobiles, I swear, the people we elect has no single idea on what they are doing. Hence, all these stupid bans, regulations, etc.

 

[Crissa]

There's something I still need clarification on, that these democrat aligned politicians needs to answer: How do you turn an EV to a racecar and...

https://www.google.com/search?q=ev+open+source+motor+controller

They're just talking about banning new sales of retail cars. Why all this panic? There will still be the used and custom market.

-Crissa

 

[GnarlyDudeLive]

https://www.google.com/search?q=ev+open+source+motor+controller

They're just talking about banning new sales of retail cars. Why all this panic? There will still be the used and custom market.

-Crissa

The reality is, once the upfront cost of EV's are on point or lower than the ICE alternative and the cost of ownership and operating is lower, ICE based vehicles are simply going to fade away. No reasonable person is going to spend more money on something that is inferior in multiple ways and depreciates faster.

It is an absolute waste of time and effort (tax payers contributions) to develop new laws and restrictions for something that is going to naturally occur relatively quickly anyhow. Lawmakers: Please spend that effort somewhere doing something more production.

 

[Crissa]

The reality is, once the upfront cost of EV's are on point or lower than the ICE alternative and the cost of ownership and operating is lower, ICE based vehicles are simply going to fade away. No reasonable person is going to spend more money on something that is inferior in multiple ways and depreciates faster.

True.

It is an absolute waste of time and effort (tax payers contributions) to develop new laws and restrictions for something that is going to naturally occur relatively quickly anyhow. Lawmakers: Please spend that effort somewhere doing something more production.

Untrue.

Using our representatives, we can shape when and how the changeover happens. It will take longer if we don't. And even worse: If we don't prepare for it, which most people won't, will cost us. Alot.

-Crissa

 

[Luke42]

He’s good until french fries get canceled. Hope he’s burnin’ In’N Out fries. We need to support them!

I'm sure he meant to say "Freedom Fries". ?

French fries were last "canceled" in 2003, because the French wouldn't join Bush's "coalition of the willing" in re-invading Iraq.

 

[Bigvbear]

There's something I still need clarification on, that these democrat aligned politicians needs to answer: How do you turn an EV to a racecar and add additional power to it without waiting for the manufacturer sending an OTA update to increase it? I.e.: Turbo chargers, Superchargers, exhaust systems, etc., that are common power modifications on ICE vehicles. And would we move to full ethanol based fuel if gasoline is completely banned as a fuel source?

When it comes to automobiles, I swear, the people we elect has no single idea on what they are doing. Hence, all these stupid bans, regulations, etc.

do a bit of research. there is entire leagues dedicated to EV racing.

https://www.fiaformulae.com/

or better still click here and look down at the bottom at all the EV racing thats going on, even stock cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motorsport

 

[Luke42]

Banning ICE engines sales honestly makes no sense. Engineering and manufacturing of ICE vehicles is still improving, and EVs are still in their infancy. So is Fuel Celled vehicles, biofuels, etc. All are still in their early phases. Before we can even move to full EV, we need to make sure our Power grid can support EVs, which will increase the amount of power required by a significant amount.

I mostly agree with this.

There really are a lot of niche applications which are better served by ICE vehicles. People who travel to remote areas (without electric service), and certain kinds of high-duty-cycle long-distance couriers come to mind.

Commuter vehicles are low-hanging fruit for EVs. If most people who commute do so in an EV, then we can save the gas and diesel for those applications which actually benefit from it.

Cutting our oil consumption between 50% and 90% would have huge environmental and geopolitical benefits. As the bumper sticker says: "Electricity: No War Required".

 

[GnarlyDudeLive]

True.


Untrue.

Using our representatives, we can shape when and how the changeover happens. It will take longer if we don't. And even worse: If we don't prepare for it, which most people won't, will cost us. Alot.

-Crissa

Perhaps I should have prefaced that with "IMO:" in which case it is true. =)