Not TSLA but important development: Hyundai shuts down ICE R&D engine division

[TheLastStarfighter]

https://www.kedglobal.com/newsView/ked202112230013#:~:text=Hyundai Motor Group, South Korea's,into an electric vehicle manufacturer.&text=The move came as the,EVs more rapidly than expected.

Gas engines are going to die as quickly as stupid phones.

 

[Crissa]

My 9 year old non-hybrid Subaru Outback gets 32 MPG on the highway.

Yeah, but an Outback is half the size of the Pacifica.

-Crissa

 

[Sirfun]

Yeah, but an Outback is half the size of the Pacifica.

-Crissa

Right! Our 9 year old Toyota Sienna minivan would have probably averaged about 22mpg on that trip.

 

[Ogre]

Yeah, but an Outback is half the size of the Pacifica.

-Crissa

Hadn't intended to post that. It was half a thought and I didn't notice the editor had kept it when I hit reply to a later post.

But the Outback is barely 7% smaller, not "Half" the size.

 

[jerhenderson]

John DeLorean was acquitted.

so was OJ Simpson. 'nuff said ? DeLorean was on video selling drugs to undercover agents - his acquittal was poor prosecution, not a lack of criminal evidence.

 

[CyberGus]

so was OJ Simpson. 'nuff said ? DeLorean was on video selling drugs to undercover agents - his acquittal was poor prosecution, not a lack of criminal evidence.

Bollocks. It was entrapment.

Turns out that the government cannot force you to break the law by threatening to kill your children, and then arrest you for it.

 

[Ogre]

I'm sure Delorean would have killed someone if he'd seen this.

 

[jerhenderson]

Bollocks. It was entrapment.

Turns out that the government cannot force you to break the law by threatening to kill your children, and then arrest you for it.

lol okay then...... maybe you should watch that video. He was entrapped like a fat kid is forced to eat McDonald's. DeLorean was a crook and the business failure was in part due to his grafting big %'s out of the company into his own bank. not illegal but very scummy with a lot of that was taxpayer investment.

 

[CyberGus]

lol okay then...... maybe you should watch that video. He was entrapped like a fat kid is forced to eat McDonald's. DeLorean was a crook and the business failure was in part due to his grafting big %'s out of the company into his own bank. not illegal but very scummy with a lot of that was taxpayer investment.

Jim Hoffman was a CI looking to get a sweetheart deal for his own misdeeds by promising “bigger fish” to the FBI. He approached JZD, he requested a bankroll for a quick return, and JZD tried to back out when he found out it was a drug deal. At this point Hoffman threatened to deliver his “daughter’s head in a bag”. The FBI had all of this on tape, and knew it was illegal entrapment. It was the recordings that were exculpatory.

I learned the bit about the threat on the daughter from John DeLorean personally. But please, tell us more about this video you watched, it sounds really interesting

 

[Crissa]

But the Outback is barely 7% smaller, not "Half" the size.

7%? By volume, the Outback is about half. The Pacifica has three rows of seating.

But what's amazing is that's also the fuel economy of my manual '02 Sentra and my heavier (and faster) '13 Mazda 3 and the even faster '14 Mazda 6.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

7%? By volume, the Outback is about half. The Pacifica has three rows of seating.

But what's amazing is that's also the fuel economy of my manual '02 Sentra and my heavier (and faster) '13 Mazda 3 and the even faster '14 Mazda 6.

-Crissa

The Pacifica is only 3 inches taller and 1 foot longer. The outback sits higher off the ground, but that eats into fuel economy so doesn't really help.

 

[Crissa]

The Pacifica is only 3 inches taller and 1 foot longer. The outback sits higher off the ground, but that eats into fuel economy so doesn't really help.

There's more to size that max dimensions in two of three dimensions. Volume comes to mind.

-Crissa

 

[Cyberman]

I still can’t get over the fact that GM’s CEO really dared to call GM “the EV leader” ??‍?. The complete lack of self awareness and delusion is uncanny.

The reason they do it is because they can. Legally, the word "leader" means nothing, just like "number one", "greatest" and "best".
Legally pulling the wool over America's eyes. Shame, GM, shame on you. We Americans aren't as think as you stupid we are.

 

[rr6013]

No?

Until we have a supply of charging stations and batteries range-extended EVs are a decent solution. The supply of BEVs added each year is 0.1% the number of cars registered in the US. We just need more. We shouldn't be selling non-hybrids at this point.

-Crissa

That’s rationalizing like young people shouldn’t have sex until they first have homes. Hybrids are petro-chem industry’s filter cigarette solution.

Hybrid riches will strike niches causing lasting effects in delayed EV adoption, lingering petro-chemical dependency and range addiction for Hybrid over BEV. People are human and who doesn’t want more? Hybrid gives them more range, anytime they want. That’s gas energy density brilliance.

Petro-chem industry own Hybrids, Hybrid customers and enlists as its best defence to stave off an EOL inevitability that’s done enough dirty air damage to last too many lifetime’s. I agree that transition takes time…if you have the luxury to afford wasting it.

 

[jerhenderson]

Jim Hoffman was a CI looking to get a sweetheart deal for his own misdeeds by promising “bigger fish” to the FBI. He approached JZD, he requested a bankroll for a quick return, and JZD tried to back out when he found out it was a drug deal. At this point Hoffman threatened to deliver his “daughter’s head in a bag”. The FBI had all of this on tape, and knew it was illegal entrapment. It was the recordings that were exculpatory.

I learned the bit about the threat on the daughter from John DeLorean personally. But please, tell us more about this video you watched, it sounds really interesting

DeLorean documentary. you learned the bit about the threat from JD personally you say.....f it's one thing I've learned, crooks will say anything to deflect blame. Him allegedly telling you, then telling me is hearsay. Not evidence.