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EV sales have doubled. Is a ‘tidal wave’ coming?

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EV sales have doubled. Is a ‘tidal wave’ coming?

By Arianna Skibell | 10/01/2021 05:57 AM EST
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The Ford F-150 Lightning is unveiled May 19 in Dearborn, Mich. Ford Motor Co. has since received more than 130,000 reservations for the electric vehicle. Carlos Osorio/AP Photo

Electric vehicle sales are booming in the U.S., with purchases nearly doubling over a year ago.
That trend is chipping away at the long-held narrative that drivers aren’t ready for electric cars, and it’s leading some analysts to recalibrate their predictions.

“We used to have a lot of very definitive forecasts,” said Tyson Jominy, vice president of data and analytics at J.D. Power, a global consumer intelligence company based in Michigan. “We’ve had to kind of blow those up because the rate of adoption is going much quicker.”

Last year, electric vehicles accounted for about 2 percent of all car sales. This summer, that number jumped to nearly 5 percent of light-duty vehicles like SUVs and sedans and more than 20 percent of all passenger vehicles sales, according to recent data (Climatewire, Sept. 24).

However, higher adoption rates of EVs could stall without stronger federal and state policies, advocates warn, hampering President Biden’s goal of decarbonizing the sector by midcentury. Still, the recent uptick in sales is notable, stemming, in part, from a proliferation of vehicle models across manufacturers, increased consumer awareness and government support.

“EV sales are pretty much going gangbusters,” said Ryan Gallentine, a policy director at Advanced Energy Economy. “You see automakers moving to start building EV-only assembly plants and announcing these new battery manufacturing facilities — to me that says they’re betting their business on EVs.”

This week, Ford Motor Co. and SK Innovation announced plans to spend $11.4 billion on new production sites in Tennessee and Kentucky to build EVs and the batteries that power them (Energywire, Sept. 28). The company, along with General Motors Co., Stellantis and others, anticipates that 40 to 50 percent of car sales will be electric by 2030, which is in line with the Biden administration’s plan.

The transportation sector is the largest contributor of greenhouse gases in the United States, representing 29 percent of total emissions. Cars release the bulk of those heat-trapping gases.

Analysts say the surge in EV demand is in part attributable to the influx of new models.
“Consumer choice has exploded,” said Chris Harto, a senior transportation and energy policy analyst at Consumer Reports. “Up until a year or two ago, if you wanted an EV, you had to get a compact car, which, even for gasoline cars, compact cars are not very popular.”

SUVs account for just shy of 60 percent of vehicle sales in the U.S. So, unless motorists wanted a small EV car or a pricey Tesla, they were out of luck.

That’s no longer the case.

There are smaller crossovers like the Volkswagen ID.4 and upcoming Hyundai Ioniq 5. More midsize crossovers like the Toyota bZ4X are on the way. And in 2023, Ford plans to offer larger SUVs, such as electric versions of its Explorer and Lincoln Aviator.

Full-sized pickup trucks include Ford’s F-150 Lightning, which has accumulated more than 130,000 reservations since its debut last May, along with electric versions of the Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra and Dodge Ram.
“So now we’re getting to the stage where, over the next year or so, in almost any market segment, you will be able to find an EV that probably meets what you’re looking for,” said Sam Abuelsamid, a principal analyst at Guidehouse Insights.

By the end of next year, an additional 40 EV models are expected to be available in the U.S. market, Abuelsamid said, and by middecade there will be over 500 EV nameplates available globally.
Model variety is especially noteworthy given consumers’ tendency to show brand loyalty.
“They’re about 48 percent loyal to their brand,” Jominy of J.D. Power said. “So if there’s a Hyundai or a Tesla in the segment you’re considering but you don’t currently own that, you’re not very likely to consider it.”
Fleet owners, however, may be more flexible.

A survey published yesterday of 28 major corporations, including Amazon.com Inc. and T-Mobile, found that respondents plan to buy at least 377,750 U.S.-based zero-emission vehicles over the next five years — and 95 percent of them said they would switch vehicle manufacturers in order to get the specific capacity and features they need.

Another factor potentially contributing to EV demand is something called the network effect. A Consumer Reports survey published last year found that 7 in 10 adults in the U.S. with a valid driver’s license were interested in getting an EV. But that interest tripled for drivers who had had direct experience with one, whether that was driving an EV, riding in one or knowing someone who owns one.

“So those network effects are starting to take hold as more and more people buy and own EVs,” Harto of Consumer Reports said. “The problem is that only 6 percent of the population in our survey had that level of experience.”

A hill ahead for EVs
Indeed, vehicle electrification is still in its infancy. And while many analysts say electrification is inevitable, the speed of adoption is not.

“It is a matter of time, but the timeline is so dependent on public policy and other factors that it could be stretched out for decades,” said Nick Nigro, founder of Atlas Public Policy. “And it’s not like conventional vehicle technology will just sit idle; it will continue to improve as well. And so there will be ebbs and flows for EVs as the market ramps up.”

A significant boost in the EV timeline could be dependent on two pieces of legislation currently in Congress: the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package and the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure deal.

“People are really starting to understand that EVs are here to stay, and if we can pass the infrastructure and reconciliation bills, then they’re going to have a huge incentive to go out and get that EV,” said Paul Bledsoe, a former Senate Finance Committee staff member who now works with the Progressive Policy Institute.
Tucked inside the reconciliation bill is a provision that would offer a $7,500 EV tax credit. An additional $4,500 incentive would be available for union-made EVs assembled in the U.S., while the infrastructure package includes funding for EV charging stations.

“The total incentive is $12,500. That’s big money. That’s the largest ever for a consumer incentive in the history of the country,” said Bledsoe, who also worked on energy and climate in the Clinton and Obama administrations.
“If we pass these bills, you’re going to see electric vehicle-like acceleration in market demand. Zero to sixty in about 2 seconds.”

The road ahead for both pieces of legislation is riddled with obstacles. And even if the tax incentives survive unscathed, funding allocation and execution could pose additional hurdles, said Gallentine of AEE.
“We have a bunch of members who do physical goods distribution who want to electrify their fleet, and in a lot of states they just don’t have the framework to be able to do that,” he said. “So we’re starting to talk to state regulators and legislators about, ‘Do you guys have a plan for how you might spend this money; do you have programs in place to move this infrastructure money out the door quickly?’”

Brianne Eby, senior policy analyst at the Eno Center for Transportation, said market movement has to work in tandem with federal and state policies to accomplish a suite of goals.

“There’s investments in infrastructure that support EVs, so that’s direct government support for public charging networks both on highways, but then also in residential areas and businesses. There’s government coordination with and support for utilities to upgrade their distribution networks for faster charging,” she said. “And also supporting supply chain and workforce demands for domestic production.”

And while EVs still make up a small percentage of the overall market, analysts say the writing is on the wall.

“The bottom line is the investment dollars are now all going toward EVs, which means that the tidal wave is coming,” Jominy said.


https://www.eenews.net/articles/ev-sales-have-doubled-is-a-tidal-wave-coming/
 
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One of those rare headlines that is going to break Betteridge's law.

Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
Musk is planning for and has been delivering exponential growth. Whether the rest of the industry is ready for that or not, it's pretty clean consumers are.

If the EV incentives pass, this whole side of the industry is going to explode.
 
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f the EV incentives pass, this whole side of the industry is going to explode.
I think it was going to explode anyway. It's more of a TNT versus Nuclear explosion! ?
 
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Something they never mention is that long-range EVs have never been left sitting on dealer lots.

So to be honest, we have never tested the maximum adoption rate. Most cars are bought when people need them. Now, not in two months to three years, like the current waiting lists.

-Crissa
 

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So to be honest, we have never tested the maximum adoption rate. Most cars are bought when people need them. Now, not in two months to three years, like the current waiting lists.
Yep. It seemed like early in the summer the Tesla backlogs were going to be temporary, but they've only gotten worse. Prior to 2020, how many people bought cars without test driving one at the dealership? How rare was it to buy a car you've never even seen?

Likewise, demand for electric trucks hasn't been tested at all.

The article talks about this as if it's a potential future, but we're already deep in it. It's like standing on the beach and watching the water recede before a tsunami hits. You see it happening, you know there is a tsunami coming you don't ask if there is one coming.
 

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Fuel crisis creates 1,600% BOOST in EV online searches
Oct 1, 2021
The Electric Viking



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UK Fuel Shortage Leads To 1,600% Surge In EV Online Searches
Online interest for electric cars exploded to 16 times the average volume in a single day.
Sep 28, 2021
By: Dan Mihalascu
https://insideevs.com/news/536914/fuel-shortage-ev-online-searches/


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You ask how far up the hill you have to keep running. But only after you start running.
Coming back from the coast, there are signs that tell you you've made it out of the Tsunami zone.

I bet the ICE auto makers are wishing there were easy signs on their road ahead to let them know how far and how fast they need to run.
 

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One of those rare headlines that is going to break Betteridge's law.



Musk is planning for and has been delivering exponential growth. Whether the rest of the industry is ready for that or not, it's pretty clean consumers are.

If the EV incentives pass, this whole side of the industry is going to explode.
You missed the point of the "law". Journalists, like Betteridge, say that if you have the substance, then you assert the title. If you ask the question, then you don't have the substance. The issue had nothing to do with the answer to the question.

Let's take it one step further. The colloquial tidal wave is used for a tsunami, an overwhelming force. A true tidal wave is nothing more than the result of the sun, moon, and earth moving around and then returning to where they started.

"No", a tidal wave is not coming. Jominy said that people are about 48 percent loyal to their brand. That's from an ICE to an ICE. Taking that data point and then fudging it out to an EV purchase is a good example of why the article is missing the meat.

Does the article play well here? Sure, I like the feel. Who doesn't like the waves lapping on their feet at the beach.

“It is a matter of time, but the timeline is so dependent on public policy and other factors that it could be stretched out for decades,” said Nick Nigro, founder of Atlas Public Policy. “And it’s not like conventional vehicle technology will just sit idle; it will continue to improve as well. And so there will be ebbs and flows for EVs as the market ramps up.”

See, even the other source agrees.
 
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You missed the point of the "law". Journalists, like Betteridge, say that if you have the substance, then you assert the title. If you ask the question, then you don't have the substance. The issue had nothing to do with the answer to the question.

Let's take it one step further. The colloquial tidal wave is used for a tsunami, an overwhelming force. A true tidal wave is nothing more than the result of the sun, moon, and earth moving around and then returning to where they started.

"No", a tidal wave is not coming. Jominy said that people are about 48 percent loyal to their brand. That's from an ICE to an ICE. Taking that data point and then fudging it out to an EV purchase is a good example of why the article is missing the meat.

Does the article play well here? Sure, I like the feel. Who doesn't like the waves lapping on their feet at the beach.




See, even the other source agrees.
All good points. And the references to 'tidal waves' and 'ebb and flows' fit the narrative.

But, the final point is still that investment dollars are all(well, most really) going to EV's.

When is the last time anyone has seen news of ICE engine technology being majorly invested in?
It could be partly due to the fact it would create controversy and protest among activist which big corporations try to avoid. Though they are also aware the trend is definitely in electric powered vehicles.
 
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There are billions invested in ICE engines. Even in today’s market.
So true. But again where is the trend? Towards EV's not ICE engines. ICE engine auto makers are stuck into further investing in ICE engines whereas startup EV manufacturers are free to only invest in EV's.
 

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Something they never mention is that long-range EVs have never been left sitting on dealer lots.

So to be honest, we have never tested the maximum adoption rate. Most cars are bought when people need them. Now, not in two months to three years, like the current waiting lists.

-Crissa
Funny how this makes sense. The way Tesla builds is much different than the way legacy automakers build. No Tesla models sitting on lots for bargain hunters. For this matter, the used Tesla market is a premium market too.
 
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There are billions invested in ICE engines. Even in today’s market.
Just think if Tesla had an advertising department how they could rip company's like GM, Ford, VW, et al. with ads showing ICE engine vehicles vs the pure EV's Tesla makes(just as one example).
 
 
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