ÆCIII
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All the auto shows and media advertising in the world, are just expenses the purchasers are going to pay for if eventually buying one, especially since the models are being teased to the public but with no promises of serious mass scale (which is what legacy auto has done often with prototypes and concept cars at shows in the past).
What should be paid attention to, is what the real scale of production is going to be for a particular model. How many times has one went into a car dealer asking about a new model offering they saw at a show or on television, only to hear the salesperson say something like, "...those will have to be ordered and there's about an 11 month waiting list, and it's going to cost you more because we won't be able to give you any discounts like we have for cars in inventory on the lot...Sure we can't interest you in something here on the lot? We have some really good deals on financing!..." Those same old down-talking customer-steering oligopoly control tactics to treat buyers like sheep, have never changed.
I would just as soon not want Tesla to have any cars at these 'shows' as I know Tesla is much better from a business model standpoint, but I also see the benefit of having Tesla represented.
Now if Toyota would sell the BZ4 direct to consumers and not advertise through media, I might be interested to take a more serious look at it. In that type of business model, Toyota would certainly be able to sell it for much cheaper, or make it even better for the same purchase price.
The best non-EV I ever owned was a Toyota Celica for 17 years and 240K miles (then I gave it away still operational). Many car dealers were 'frustrated' why I wouldn't (trade it in) after four years or so of ownership. They basically attempted to normalize that to everyone. They did not want people to believe a product could actaully last a long time. Toyota has some good quality roots in their manufacturing in my opinion. In fact, the first time I started doubting Consumer Reports was when they started trying to throw shade on Toyotas which I knew was biased and then I realized that Consumer Reports was not from 'consumers' and that they had been 'bought'
But any purchase experience from an otherwise good manufacturing process, can be diminished or compromised by entanglements of excess financial weight in dealership costs or media advertising, that buyers end up paying for, either through reduced product quality or a more expensive purchase price. There's just no getting around it because it is simple math versus human nature.
Car shows and advertising glamour will never be able to hide a fundamentally flawed business model from me anymore, because of my level of experience with car dealers. The business model and amount of leaky money outflows, determines the true remaining substance manufactured in the car (or any product). Tesla eliminates traditional manufacturing inefficiencies, avoids unneccessary layers of costs, while executing production better than anyone else.
= ÆCIII
What should be paid attention to, is what the real scale of production is going to be for a particular model. How many times has one went into a car dealer asking about a new model offering they saw at a show or on television, only to hear the salesperson say something like, "...those will have to be ordered and there's about an 11 month waiting list, and it's going to cost you more because we won't be able to give you any discounts like we have for cars in inventory on the lot...Sure we can't interest you in something here on the lot? We have some really good deals on financing!..." Those same old down-talking customer-steering oligopoly control tactics to treat buyers like sheep, have never changed.
I would just as soon not want Tesla to have any cars at these 'shows' as I know Tesla is much better from a business model standpoint, but I also see the benefit of having Tesla represented.
Now if Toyota would sell the BZ4 direct to consumers and not advertise through media, I might be interested to take a more serious look at it. In that type of business model, Toyota would certainly be able to sell it for much cheaper, or make it even better for the same purchase price.
The best non-EV I ever owned was a Toyota Celica for 17 years and 240K miles (then I gave it away still operational). Many car dealers were 'frustrated' why I wouldn't (trade it in) after four years or so of ownership. They basically attempted to normalize that to everyone. They did not want people to believe a product could actaully last a long time. Toyota has some good quality roots in their manufacturing in my opinion. In fact, the first time I started doubting Consumer Reports was when they started trying to throw shade on Toyotas which I knew was biased and then I realized that Consumer Reports was not from 'consumers' and that they had been 'bought'
But any purchase experience from an otherwise good manufacturing process, can be diminished or compromised by entanglements of excess financial weight in dealership costs or media advertising, that buyers end up paying for, either through reduced product quality or a more expensive purchase price. There's just no getting around it because it is simple math versus human nature.
Car shows and advertising glamour will never be able to hide a fundamentally flawed business model from me anymore, because of my level of experience with car dealers. The business model and amount of leaky money outflows, determines the true remaining substance manufactured in the car (or any product). Tesla eliminates traditional manufacturing inefficiencies, avoids unneccessary layers of costs, while executing production better than anyone else.
= ÆCIII
