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Biden Wants Extra Incentive For Union-Built Electric Cars—Which Would Exclude Teslas

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Cybercab Robotaxi Biden Wants Extra Incentive For Union-Built Electric Cars—Which Would Exclude Teslas a3452ae8%2FBiden-EV-incentives-not-for-Tesla%2F0x0

President Joe Biden discusses his plan to boost sales and production of electric vehicles.
WHITE HOUSE

President Joe Biden’s plan to accelerate U.S. sales of electric cars and trucks to 50% of all new vehicle purchases by 2030 could include more generous customer incentives of as much as $12,500. But those made by Tesla, the biggest seller of battery-powered autos, wouldn’t qualify for that maximum amount as its U.S. assembly facilities don’t use union labor.

At a briefing on the White House lawn on Thursday, Biden was introduced by a United Auto Workers union official, and joined by General Motors CEO and Chair Mary Barra, Ford CEO Jim Farley and Stellantis COO Mark Stewart. All three companies rely on UAW employees. Notably, Tesla, the fourth-biggest U.S. automaker by sales volume—but which doesn’t have UAW representation for its workers—was absent from the event. Prior to the event, Elon Musk tweeted that it “seems odd that Tesla wasn’t invited.”

During the briefing Biden endorsed a proposal from two Democratic Senators, Ron Wyden of Oregon and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, that would extend $7,500 federal tax credits that were enacted more than a decade ago (and that have already ended for buyers of GM and Tesla vehicles), and add more enticements for vehicles produced in the U.S. and by union workers.

Getting EV sales to grow “means purchasing incentives for consumers to buy clean vehicles, union-made, right here in America,” Biden said. He wants Congress to approve the proposal from Stabenow and Wyden that provides “a $7,500 basic credit, a $2,500 credit for vehicles made in American and an additional $2,500 credit for union-made vehicles.”


That extra potential benefit for buyers would also be a big help to GM, Ford and Stellantis’ Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge brands as the traditional U.S. Big 3 automakers prepare to dramatically expand their battery-powered vehicle lines. Even if the union-oriented incentive doesn’t make it into law, any expansion of federal support for electric vehicle sales, combined with the Administration's plan to get 500,000 new public EV charging stations built across the country, could dramatically boost demand for them.

Shifting the market over the next nine years away from petroleum won’t be easy, even with incentives and more charging stations. So far in 2021, battery-electric vehicles accounted for just 2.2% of new vehicle sales in the U.S., up from 1.4% in the first half of 2020, Edmunds estimates.

The “Clean Energy For America Bill” that’s making its way through the Senate provides incentives only for electric vehicles that sell for less than $80,000, and makes them available for customers until the 50%-market share goal is achieved. If approved, Tesla’s Model 3 and Model Y, and potentially its Cybetruck, would qualify for incentives of up to $10,000. The company’s high-end Model S and Model X would not.

Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Ford’s Mach-E crossover is currently built in Mexico, though the company plans to produce its highly anticipated F-150 Lightning electric pickup at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center. GM builds the electric Bolt hatchback at its Orion, Michigan, plant and is preparing to expand production of future EV models at its Factory Zero in Hamtramck, Michigan, and in Spring Hill, Tennessee.

The UAW has yet to convince enough employees at Tesla’s Fremont, California, plant—which was a union facility for decades in its previous incarnations as a GM plant and then a joint-venture factory shared by Toyota and GM. Musk has also opposed unization of the plant. In March the National Labor Relations Board ruled that the billionaire entrepreneur violated U.S. labor law by firing an employee at Fremont who advocated for the UAW and for a tweet that seemed designed to discourage workers from joining the union.

“Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give up stock options for nothing?” he tweeted. The NLRB also ordered the world’s second-wealthiest human to delete the tweet. He has yet to comply with that request and is appealing the ruling.


Just before the start of Biden’s briefing, Musk shared his views about not being included at the event with a meme saying: “I’m not saying it is sabotage. But it is sabotage.”




https://www.forbes.com/sites/splunk...how-leaders-stay-competitive/?sh=36bc382a66c0
 

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LOL as if this will affect Tesla in the least. But they are clearly picking on Tesla like they're some big bully. Seems odd. The union tax credit is quite the good Samaritan ploy clearly decided on by Lobbyists to specifically exclude Tesla. Not that it'll matter.

In the long run, I think this is a good move for the planet.
 

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The extra $2.5K for U.S. union built is not that important. The main thing is to get Tesla back into the program at $7K-$10K.

Right now Chinese, Japanese, EU built EVs get upto $7,500 U.S. federal credit from U.S. taxpayers while U.S. built Tesla gets $00000000000000. Also any U.S. built GM EVs.
 

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This is somewhat old news.

Right now Tesla is kicking the industry's butt with $0 in incentives.

Tesla would be eligible for $10,000 in incentives under the current version of the plan. Ford and Chevy *might* qualify for an additional $2,500. If Ford continued to produce their EVs outside the US, not even that.
 

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Yeah, as the proposal stands now:

Ford Mach-e: 7.5k
Nissan Leaf, Tesla: 10k
GM Bolt: 12.5k

The price difference between these models is much more different than the incentives, so it won't really matter.

-Crissa
 

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True. What were they thinking?
The article kind of spells it out. They want to make EVs more accessible to lower middle-class families without making it into a big subsidy for the wealthy.

I'm Ok with it personally. Subsidizing $70k cars is a big handout for people who are already pretty well off.

Most of us have already said we'd buy the Cybertruck regardless of the subsidy. What exactly is the incentive doing then?
 
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It also excludes us. We couldn't afford a new car when it was available, but now...

...and now we can't get it because we make too much.

I'm okay with there being limits, but this means very few people are going to be able to take much of the credit. The credit is... larger than the average federal tax liability of a single person making 70k a year.

-Crissa
 

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It also excludes us. We couldn't afford a new car when it was available, but now...

...we also can't get it because we make too much.

I'm okay with there being limits, but this means very few people are going to be able to take much of the credit. The credit is... larger than the average federal tax liability of a single person making 70k a year.

-Crissa
I always get confused about which is just a reduction and which they pay out regardless. For example "Earned Income Credit" gets paid out regardless of whether the recipient actually pays any taxes.

Seems like this is well intended but too restrictive. It should be *just enough* where I can get my Cybertruck, but no more.

As I said, this seems doomed out the gate or possibly it will get superseded by the bigger credit Biden is pushing.
 

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They shouldn’t care who it is that buys them as long as they are bought. Even if only wealthy people bought them they would still end up in he hands of less wealthy people in a couple years when Richie Rich decides he needs the new Cybertruck 2.0 and sells his first CT to his gardener for much less. In the end their goal will be met even if only the so called wealthy purchase now.
 

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It's also silly in another way: EVs are higher upfront cost. (From 10-20k more than a comparable ICE) So limiting by sticker price limits adoption. Secondly, trucks are the most polluting, and their average price is $10k higher than the average car.

So, sure, the average ICE car is $40k. But then you need that battery, which is $10-20k more. And the average truck is $52k. Plus an even bigger battery, because truck.

-Crissa

Tax credits are either 'refundable' in which they pay out whether you have the liability or not - like part of the new child credit or or the EITC - but most are not.
 

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It's also silly in another way: EVs are higher upfront cost. (From 10-20k more than a comparable ICE) So limiting by sticker price limits adoption. Secondly, trucks are the most polluting, and their average price is $10k higher than the average car.

So, sure, the average ICE car is $40k. But then you need that battery, which is $10-20k more. And the average truck is $52k. Plus an even bigger battery, because truck.

-Crissa

Tax credits are either 'refundable' in which they pay out whether you have the liability or not - like part of the new child credit or or the EITC - but most are not.
Thats right. Most of the “soccer moms” and such that feel they need to drive a new Suburban, Cadillac, or whatever would be much more likely to switch to a Model Y or model X than a Leaf. That plan just won’t work. It’s gonna get changed.
 
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