GM Adopting NACS Tesla Charge Ports on Its Vehicles Starting 2025!

[anionic1]

Thanks for the info. i guess $.01 is 10% of $.10 per kWhr So not too bad. Smart work place chargers are key to the next wave of EV adoption and grid stability.

I researched a few options like Chargepoint and evgo but tesla had the simplest solution. It was a little hectic dealing with the support staff, but we got it done.

 

[Tinker71]

Its really great to see companies humbling themselves to use the better design/tech. Its like the apple charger vs usb whatever. its just a better design. I wish the whole world would just get over it and work with apple to make it the standard.

Boo. USB C is superior

 

[Crissa]

Boo. USB C is superior

No, USB-C is much more susceptible to sand and grit than the Lightning connector.

But the Lightning was maxing out the power delivery capability and would have to be phased out anyhow.

My biggest peeve is that USB-C was mandated without a decent truly waterproof standard.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

I wonder how this impacts the Euro cars I.e Audi,MB,VW ect. Don’t they currently used NACS in Europe? They may be forced to migrate to the Tesla connector for US imports.

No.

EU cars use CCS 2, instead of the US CCS 1. It's very similar, but since they have a three-phase Level 2 handle, it's already balanced better. It's still big, tho.

Tesla swapped all their cars and chargers under the EU mandate back with Supercharger ver 2.

Teslas in China use GB-T; Oceania and elsewhere use the Tesla connector.

-Crissa

 

[kev12345]

Nothing...except everything lol

EA could add Tesla connectors tomorrow could they not?

 

[Tinker71]

No, USB-C is much more susceptible to sand and grit than the Lightning connector.

But the Lightning was maxing out the power delivery capability and would have to be phased out anyhow.

My biggest peeve is that USB-C was mandated without a decent truly waterproof standard.

-Crissa

Power and durability. USB -c. Errr. I was just tired of all the dang adapters and obsolete wall boxes.

 

[CyberGus]

EA could add Tesla connectors tomorrow could they not?

Sure. Then they can add convenience and reliability.

 

[Crissa]

Power and durability. USB -c. Errr. I was just tired of all the dang adapters and obsolete wall boxes.

That's why I haven't had a phone with a custom charge cable since... No wait, I never did. Even my first cell phone used a standard barrel connector. Tho its charger was a cradle.

-Crissa

 

[CyberGus]

Even my first cell phone used a standard barrel connector.

The nice thing about standards is that there’s so many to choose from

 

[Tinker71]

That's why I haven't had a phone with a custom charge cable since... No wait, I never did. Even my first cell phone used a standard barrel connector. Tho its charger was a cradle.

-Crissa

Never is a strong term. The phones still shipped with something until recently.

 

[Crissa]

Never is a strong term. The phones still shipped with something until recently.

Well, my first cell phone was in 2002. And it wasn't mine, it was 'ours'.

I got the hand-me-down phone until my HTC Evo 3D. But we've always been tech savvy. Spouse was a design engineer for cellular test equipment when I met her and I was doing database programming.

-Crissa

 

[ÆCIII]

If they're smart, Volkswagen would be next to adopt NACS for their US spec cars. I'm betting the ID Buzz would sell much better in the U.S. if they did. Herbert Diess would've probably already done it he was still there. But this is also an indication of how sincere companies are, or if they're still delusional.

Again, I'm not crazy about it from a supercharger accessibility standpoint, but if Tesla makes revenue and the growth of more Tesla charging sites is supported by this, then I'm more Ok with it. For the big picture I'd rather see one predominate NACS standard anyways, sort of like USB-C for our cellphones.

- ÆCIII

 

[cvalue13]

If they're smart, Volkswagen would be next to adopt NACS for their US spec cars. I'm betting the ID Buzz would sell much better in the U.S. if they did. Herbert Diess would've probably already done it he was still there.

since VW is parent company of Electrify America (per deiselgate reparations) through at least 2026 (it was a 10yr commitment I think), it would seem VW finds itself in a bit of a challenging spot to change from CCS to NACS without also undercutting EA

 

[ÆCIII]

since VW is parent company of Electrify America (per deiselgate reparations) through at least 2026 (it was a 10yr commitment I think), it would seem VW finds itself in a bit of a challenging spot to change from CCS to NACS without also undercutting EA

Very true. But if others get on board, VW may end up watching EA become less and less relevant anyway even without their undercutting it. So IMO they'd be wise to move to NACS earlier, but as you point out, the choice might not be so easy for them. Yet, if other car brands currently using CCS keep abandoning it, VW may have grounds to abandon it as well. Or, since 2026 is only two and a half years away maybe - VW can do the interim step like Ford and GM, and just integrate the app APIs and get a Tesla to CCS adapter for their cars in production, while keeping one foot in the CCS grave until they can finally pull out of it and start putting NACS ports in their American spec cars. I guess it depends on how they view the American EV market for their models too.

- ÆCIII

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[HaulingAss]

And there are those go fight it and can’t get their hands out of the pot…

I say keep more variety, Super Charger station wait times are long enough with just current Teslas!

It's incredibly irrational and short-sighted to claim that "more variety" in charge ports is a good thing. Even GM and Ford will not put one of each on their vehicles once production vehicles come with the superior NACS charge port (because they are trying to get the price it costs to make an EV as low as they know how).

Currently, legacy auto is not making a penny on their EV sales, even though their prices are higher than Tesla, much higher once you make a comparison that is as apples-to-apples as possible. Legacy auto cannot price their EV's high enough to break-even because higher MSRP's wouldn't allow them to sell the few that they make.

The move to NACS has a two part benefit to Ford and GM (and the rest of legacy auto when they finally capitulate), it lets buyers of their vehicles use the best charging network in America and the NACS charge port costs significantly less to install. The price from their suppliers will be considerably lower (because the port is physically smaller) and this will have additional cost savings because the charge port door can be smaller, the hinges don't need to be as strong to support a smaller door, etc). It will also make the cars about a pound lighter.

No, variety in charge ports is not good for anyone and I can't imagine why anyone would claim otherwise. This is why things like wall outlets and plugs (that plug into each other) are standardized.